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	<title>Comments on: Astrology of Christmas: The Star of Bethlehem</title>
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		<title>By: gryphonastrology</title>
		<link>http://gryphonastrology.com/blog/2006/12/13/astrology-of-christmas-the-star-of-bethlehem/#comment-685</link>
		<dc:creator>gryphonastrology</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 15:12:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Kenneth,

Thank you for visiting.  Interesting theory; perhaps not one to which I subscribe, but then, none of us were there when it happened (or didn't happen)!  Of course, the fact that only the Gospel of Matthew mentions the star could indicate a revisionist attempt by the other Gospel writers to take astrology out of the picture.

Please let me know when your article comes out - I'll be happy to link to it from my homepage.

Nina</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Kenneth,</p>
<p>Thank you for visiting.  Interesting theory; perhaps not one to which I subscribe, but then, none of us were there when it happened (or didn&#8217;t happen)!  Of course, the fact that only the Gospel of Matthew mentions the star could indicate a revisionist attempt by the other Gospel writers to take astrology out of the picture.</p>
<p>Please let me know when your article comes out - I&#8217;ll be happy to link to it from my homepage.</p>
<p>Nina</p>
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		<title>By: Kenneth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kenneth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 06:56:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Nina,

I believe the Star of Bethlehem is a historical fiction and was "invented" after the fact to bolster Jesus' credibility in a world that was dominated by Stoicism and the notion that the stars illustrated one's Fate. So certainly the birth of a Savior  would warrant a special star. I believe this story was manufactured to "sell" Jesus in a world that was very much dominated by astrology.

Isn't it weird that the "star" story only appears in the Gospel of Matthew?  You would think the angels in Luke would mention something about the Star to the shepherds. They don't.   And John, arguably the most "spiritual" Gospel, makes no mention of the star.

I am working on a scholarly article on this subject, but thought I would mention the basics here in light of your thread.

Sincerely,

Kenneth</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Nina,</p>
<p>I believe the Star of Bethlehem is a historical fiction and was &#8220;invented&#8221; after the fact to bolster Jesus&#8217; credibility in a world that was dominated by Stoicism and the notion that the stars illustrated one&#8217;s Fate. So certainly the birth of a Savior  would warrant a special star. I believe this story was manufactured to &#8220;sell&#8221; Jesus in a world that was very much dominated by astrology.</p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t it weird that the &#8220;star&#8221; story only appears in the Gospel of Matthew?  You would think the angels in Luke would mention something about the Star to the shepherds. They don&#8217;t.   And John, arguably the most &#8220;spiritual&#8221; Gospel, makes no mention of the star.</p>
<p>I am working on a scholarly article on this subject, but thought I would mention the basics here in light of your thread.</p>
<p>Sincerely,</p>
<p>Kenneth</p>
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		<title>By: gryphonastrology</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jan 2007 00:40:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Cameron,

I am not exactly sure what points you are making regarding the above post, but let me address a couple of issues in your post:

1.  The heliocentric model was proposed as long as 3000 years ago in Indian Vedic texts, complete with accurate calculations of the relative sizes of the Earth and Sun.  Heliocentrism was not "revealed" upon the invention of the telescope.

2.  Astrology did not start getting "dissed" after the invention of the telescope.  It had been disputed and maligned for a lot longer than that.  Its general decline occurred around the Enlightenment, and is not tied to one particular event or invention.

3.  To say that the New Testament is allegorical is deeply offensive to those who accept it as fact.  Enough said.

Warmly,
Nina</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Cameron,</p>
<p>I am not exactly sure what points you are making regarding the above post, but let me address a couple of issues in your post:</p>
<p>1.  The heliocentric model was proposed as long as 3000 years ago in Indian Vedic texts, complete with accurate calculations of the relative sizes of the Earth and Sun.  Heliocentrism was not &#8220;revealed&#8221; upon the invention of the telescope.</p>
<p>2.  Astrology did not start getting &#8220;dissed&#8221; after the invention of the telescope.  It had been disputed and maligned for a lot longer than that.  Its general decline occurred around the Enlightenment, and is not tied to one particular event or invention.</p>
<p>3.  To say that the New Testament is allegorical is deeply offensive to those who accept it as fact.  Enough said.</p>
<p>Warmly,<br />
Nina</p>
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		<title>By: Cameron Falukner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cameron Falukner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jan 2007 16:50:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any celestial event that is 'interpreted' to mean a 'birth' (eg. Star of Bethlehem) is by its very nature 'astrological'.  Astronony is 'observation' and astrology is 'interpretation'.
One must remember that astrology was a principal science at the time of the birth of Christ.
Astrology started getting 'dissed' after the invention of the telescope revealed (to the Western world)  that the Earth was not the center of the solar system as it was thought to be at earlier times.
Much of the dialogue of The New Testament is, in fact, a deeply veiled astrological/astronomical allegory.
See, http://www.templeofsolomon.org</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any celestial event that is &#8216;interpreted&#8217; to mean a &#8216;birth&#8217; (eg. Star of Bethlehem) is by its very nature &#8216;astrological&#8217;.  Astronony is &#8216;observation&#8217; and astrology is &#8216;interpretation&#8217;.<br />
One must remember that astrology was a principal science at the time of the birth of Christ.<br />
Astrology started getting &#8216;dissed&#8217; after the invention of the telescope revealed (to the Western world)  that the Earth was not the center of the solar system as it was thought to be at earlier times.<br />
Much of the dialogue of The New Testament is, in fact, a deeply veiled astrological/astronomical allegory.<br />
See, <a href="http://www.templeofsolomon.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.templeofsolomon.org</a></p>
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		<title>By: Sharon Douglas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sharon Douglas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Dec 2006 22:11:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>See http://www.aloha.net/~johnboy/pageone.htg/pageone.htm for a very interesting discussion setting the time of birth for 2 March 5 B.C. The Star of David is made by planets that statistically can only come together in this formation once every 40 000 000 years.  Makes for fascintaing reading.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See <a href="http://www.aloha.net/~johnboy/pageone.htg/pageone.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.aloha.net/~johnboy/pageone.htg/pageone.htm</a> for a very interesting discussion setting the time of birth for 2 March 5 B.C. The Star of David is made by planets that statistically can only come together in this formation once every 40 000 000 years.  Makes for fascintaing reading.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Calderone</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary Calderone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Dec 2006 16:36:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is an excellent book out on this by Michael Molnar. He is an astronomer, but speaks at astrological organizations as well. I heard him speak at the Astrological Society of Princeton last year. His book is on amazon.com and here is a cut and paste of what it says there:

From Booklist
Christian scholars have expended considerable ingenuity in providing scientific glosses for the scriptural account of the Star that shone above Bethlehem at the time of Jesus' birth. Astronomer Molnar disputes such explanations precisely because they derive from a modern perspective far removed from the outlook of ancient stargazers, who eagerly scanned the heavens for signs of the Messiah's birth. Ancient texts show conclusively that no portent would have excited greater expectations of a divine birth in Judea than a lunar occultation of Jupiter in the constellation Aries. And because sophisticated computer calculations reveal that such an eclipse did occur on April seventeenth in the year 6 B.C., Molnar fixes this as the celestial event that signaled the Christ child's birth. This assertion does require pushing Christ's birth back two years earlier than the commonly accepted 4 B.C. But evidence gleaned from early Roman and Jewish sources makes an earlier Nativity plausible. The uncanny fit of all the ancient and modern pieces of this puzzle makes for a highly persuasive argument. Bryce Christensen

Owen Gingerich, Harward-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics
"Molnar's The Star of Bethlehem is a fascinating contribution to the immense literature that attempts to come to terms with the Christmas Star represented in Matthew's Gospel. In my opinion, this book is the most original and important contribution of the entire twentieth century on the thorny question of how events recorded there, should be interpreted."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is an excellent book out on this by Michael Molnar. He is an astronomer, but speaks at astrological organizations as well. I heard him speak at the Astrological Society of Princeton last year. His book is on amazon.com and here is a cut and paste of what it says there:</p>
<p>From Booklist<br />
Christian scholars have expended considerable ingenuity in providing scientific glosses for the scriptural account of the Star that shone above Bethlehem at the time of Jesus&#8217; birth. Astronomer Molnar disputes such explanations precisely because they derive from a modern perspective far removed from the outlook of ancient stargazers, who eagerly scanned the heavens for signs of the Messiah&#8217;s birth. Ancient texts show conclusively that no portent would have excited greater expectations of a divine birth in Judea than a lunar occultation of Jupiter in the constellation Aries. And because sophisticated computer calculations reveal that such an eclipse did occur on April seventeenth in the year 6 B.C., Molnar fixes this as the celestial event that signaled the Christ child&#8217;s birth. This assertion does require pushing Christ&#8217;s birth back two years earlier than the commonly accepted 4 B.C. But evidence gleaned from early Roman and Jewish sources makes an earlier Nativity plausible. The uncanny fit of all the ancient and modern pieces of this puzzle makes for a highly persuasive argument. Bryce Christensen</p>
<p>Owen Gingerich, Harward-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics<br />
&#8220;Molnar&#8217;s The Star of Bethlehem is a fascinating contribution to the immense literature that attempts to come to terms with the Christmas Star represented in Matthew&#8217;s Gospel. In my opinion, this book is the most original and important contribution of the entire twentieth century on the thorny question of how events recorded there, should be interpreted.&#8221;</p>
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